Super Touring World - WIP skins & discussion

Thanks for the information Alex!! I just need to finish of the Primera once i return home.

the SPA version does't hve that logo  but seems to have the one from front fender on the hood

I wonder if this is actually the same Nissan used by Raymond Coronel  at the 94 Zandvoort race

this was the only time right until 1999 that a privateer used a japanese make   in STW  

Thomas Stigl in an old Accord

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intelpower wrote:Thomas Stigl in an old Accord

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a car from 1997 used in 1999? thats really old, even for a privateer

Not too uncommon though. Here's the ex-Mardi Gras Honda from 1998 that was raced in 2001 in Greece.
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was just joking because its common for privateers to use older cars.

regarding   STW  maybe a possible error   in 1994 season


no 20 Dieter Quester    ,  he is an extra category     but it doesn't look like he duplicates Peter Kox or Yolanda Surer  as team Isert had 3 cars at Salzburring

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regarding his number     ST claims  no  19  (but that was used by Franz Konrad in team Schneider at Nurburgring) and Touringcarwolrd claims no 20
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from the actual footage the only shot of him    at this race on the right   , he had red interior

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another case with possible wrong category no 26 Miloš Bychl   , he is in Extra    but he did 3 rounds of the season so more accurate   in main category

The entries layout has changed and is as follows:
There's the regular grid in which all entries are listed even those that did only a round(as long as they don't belong in another series)
The Extra entries that are all guest entries from other championships(e.g. an FFSA entry at the Procar Series)
Finally we have the alternate entries which feature a secondary car a driver used(e.g. CET 1996 David Bosch's Seat Toledo goes in the regular grid and his BMW 318i from the last round goes in the alternates).

If there are 2 drivers that shared the same car on the same team the driver that did the most rounds will be kept.

If a driver has shared a car with another driver and are from different teams then it will be put in the alternates.

that's why I pointed out for this case  

seems Dieter Quester   isn't a duplicate     and he didn't do any other series !  , in fact this 2 STW races  swere the sole super tourng races of his career   ( he was a works BMW driver in the Group A  days)

I was thinking that it might be the later   2nd Team Schneider car (Spa and Nurburgring )  but that didn't have a red interior , but even if it would be same car        Quester did 2 races , while Franz Engstler did just 1 race in it while Patrick Huisman also did just one  so 2-1-1     Quester wins

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Miloš Bychl   is listed for 94 just with this 3 STW races   and he doesn't duplicate anybody else either,    it's just that at Zanvoort  Patrick Huissman used his car , in either case  he used in 3 races,  Huissman in one  only
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no  issue for him being in EXTRA   in STW 1995 as he did just one meeting while doing most in czech series

the BMW of 1994 STW are really messed up



for the general grid   hope it excludes duplcicate drivers    , for example in STW 95  means having 2 Lauderbach Nissans and some more BMWs  

speaking of alternate liviries. franz engstler had one in 1999:

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same goes for wolfgang treml:
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and georg severich:
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Does anybody know if this model is available, please ? VW Vento for information...

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Yes we do have the Vento, both in ST Aero and non-Aero variant.
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that is from a series called Tomcat Vento Challange , this cars are very slow  

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AFAIK the only Ventors more super touring related are the Class B  cars from SATCAR

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Personally i won't do any Super production cars. As far as this mod is concerned i will only stick to Supertourers.
As for the Vento, the newly added Swiss ones add up to the list of skins for this car.

Well thanks for replying...

I had a bit of a thought regarding the GH Sport Opel Astra from STW 1994, Marco Werner also drove an Astra for the same team in the 1993 DTM 2000 cup. So the 1994 variant must have the same logos. I think that will make it accurate since not enough material is available.
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I will use Durkopp for the second logo and the first one seems to be Kalos? Kabos?
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Mario Hebler never drove that Astra  in DTM 93         it was just an entry list only   so no real deductionas can be made



in othe rnews an interesting  podcast with Tim Harvey    
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, he talks about the BTCC Peuegot 406 effort and he says there was no collaboration whatsoever between MSD    and Peugeot France who did the very succesful STW cars, in essence  completely different cars

He was still listed and that first photo shows the GH Sport logo....so it was the same team...

if you are convinced go ahead  


small note , in DTm 93  shouldn't 53, 55,  and 56 be  put as Extras ?    one as they didn't actually show up    and as  they may be very likely duplicates   . can't imagine this team having 4 Astras


I am not realy sure if they even had 2  cars

we we're talking about the Launderbach Nissan  well guess what

someone uploaded 5 dasy ago the full 95 Zolder race  where  it apperead

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Nice!
Lauderbach Nissan is done, i'll only keep the Zolder variant.
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on the boot could it be PRIMERA   on the left with white letters ?

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eithee way great job   for such an obscure backmarker    



to give you an idea on the shoe string budget , they damaged the front bumper in the sprint race  and instead of replacing it for main race they simply ducktaped it !!!

and IMO that's why they had a different red one at Spa

Markano97 wrote:Nice!
, i'll only keep the Zolder variant.

if you want to ditch some of this alt  driver skins  from the pack  to streamline a bit   ,    this would be the candidates, and they look same as the regular drivers skins  and diid 1 round (or max 2)

94
- Audi    no 43 Oliver Tichy  (he replaced Stuck at one round  as Stuck was busy winning  Le Mans 1994...    )

95
- Primera  no 27 Spa   of Dick adorf that you mentioned
- BMW no 35 David Brabham  
- BMW no 39  Marco Werner, he replaced no 31  Rudiger Julius at the final round

96
- Mondeo no 9   Thierry Boutsen  , he only did the first 2 rounds got fed up and left  , replaced by Warren Hughes for rest of season

- BMW no 26 Frank Krämer, he repalced no 25 Leopold Von bayern at one round

- Alfa Romeo 155  no 17 Stephan Vollmeier ,   he replaced regular Oliver Mayer at 2 rounds but he DNS in one round....

- BMW no 31  Chrisitna Menzel     he did the final 2 rounds  in the Lauderbach BMW that was used in the season beginning by Alexander Gaggl,

97
- Alfa Romeo  155  no 38 Stephen Vollmair and no 47  Gianni Giudici  , did one roudn each from regular driver  no 14  Frank Schmickler

- BMW no 24 and 40   Eric helary and Steve Soper  ,   did guest entries in Leopold Prinz von Bayern    car

- AUDI A4  no 46 Raimund Baumschlager    , replaced no 45 Dirk Müller at one round

- the Opel Vectra of klaus Ludwig as he got replaced by Kurt Thim before season start...

98
NONE

99
- Alfa 156   no 12  Andreas Scheld     , driven most  by 13 Gianluca Paglicci

intelpower wrote:

Markano97 wrote:Nice!
, i'll only keep the Zolder variant.

if you want to ditch some of this alt  driver skins  from the pack  to streamline a bit   ,    this would be the candidates, and they look same as the regular drivers skins  and diid 1 round (or max 2)

99
- Alfa 156   no 12  Andreas Scheld     , driven most  by 13 Gianluca Paglicci

Scheld took part at 3 rounds until he was injured after a crash at the norisring.  shouldnt be ditched imo.

None of them should be ditched. They're all official entries worthy of inclusion. If they've been done they should be kept. Stop listening to that moron.

IMO the only entries that should be dropped are replacement drivers where the livery didn’t change and DNS cars.