Re: [RELEASE] SUPER TOURING WORLD 2.23

**GTP_furinkazen** 20/4/2018, 18:43

intelpower wrote:
GTP_furinkazen wrote:Firstly, got to finish adding 3 more genstrings to every single damn E36 BMW...

that just happens to be the most common car in the entire mod....

BTW it turns out the 1992 Italian series had some Super Tourer entries

entry list, the E30 M3 had 2.0 L engines, so same as BTCC , Peugeot 405 all 3 looked the same

51 - Peugeot 405 - Fabrizio Giovanardi,
52 - Peugeot 405 - Gary Ayles
53 - Peugeot 405 - Luigi Giorgio
59 - BMW M3 - Luca Maggiorelli
61 - BMW M3 - Graziano Rossi
63 - BMW M3 - Mauro Trione
68 - BMW M3 - Claudio Melotto
69 - BMW M3 -Maurizio Lusuardi,

there were also some Opel kadett / Vauxhall Astra with 2.0 L engine and even an Opel Calibra

and some races are in full on youtube, if there is interest I could go thru them for reference

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Sure shoot some info over.

RE BMW, well yes, thought i'd start with the biggest job first and get that done...

**intelpower** 20/4/2018, 19:31

first batch Peugeots could be done very accurate . private BMW much harder... the BMW striped one with yelow bumper is no 59 , black/ yellow is no 68

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**intelpower** 20/4/2018, 20:00

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2nd black/yelow M3 no idea who he is , wa sinvolved in red flag accident
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59 was by far the most competitve M3 , the sponsorless striped M3 looks to be Massimo Pigoli but no idea on his race number , maybe 64 ?
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**Markano97** 20/4/2018, 21:25

I tried to make the 1991-1992 CIVT but too little material to work with....maybe one day but can't confirm it.

**intelpower** 22/4/2018, 17:39

speaking of E36 the old BTCC 93-94 mod for F1C did have the coupe but guess model is too old to be useful ?

if someone wants to check it out mod here
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**Markano97** 22/4/2018, 18:46

intelpower wrote:speaking of E36 the old BTCC 93-94 mod for F1C did have the coupe but guess model is too old to be useful ?

if someone wants to check it out mod here
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The model is simply too old to be used....personally i don't really mind having the four door instead of the actual 2 door.

**intelpower** 22/4/2018, 19:15

Markano97 wrote:.personally i don't really mind having the four door instead of the actual 2 door.

out of curiosity you don't like the E36 coupe ? I really dig it since it starred in one of my all time guilty pleasure movies Very Happy

the 1994 The Chase
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**Markano97** 22/4/2018, 20:37

I like the coupe but im fine with the 4 door because it would take some work to turn it into a 2 door plus the template would perhaps be affected. Personally i don't know 3d stuff so i can't do this so unless someone is willing to do that im fine with the 4 door version. BTW really like that movie. Very Happy

**pimmy** 23/4/2018, 03:22

There's a good E36 Coupe model in the Kumho BMW mod. Comes with a template, too.

**intelpower** 23/4/2018, 12:42

hmm indeed, just the rear spoiler removed, front bumper is different but that happens with regular early ST

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from what i remember one of this coupes appearead in STCC 96 with a 95 spec rear wing ( no 76 Torbjörn Sällfors)

and at least one in 94 japan series
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**Markano97** 23/4/2018, 19:26

Having 2 different E36 models would look odd....plus all the skins of the coupe would have to be repainted. scratchin

**pimmy** 23/4/2018, 23:11

intelpower wrote:hmm indeed, just the rear spoiler removed, front bumper is different but that happens with regular early ST

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from what i remember one of this coupes appearead in STCC 96 with a 95 spec rear wing ( no 76 Torbjörn Sällfors)

and at least one in 94 japan series
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There is also a body without a spoiler in the mod, so no need to worry about removing it. However, one Coupe ended up in Australia and had 1995 aero.

The picture of the Taisan car isn't from JTCC. It only ran as #26 at the final round at Fuji and was definitely a 4-door ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ). In fact, that photo is from the 1993 N1 race at Sugo.

**simspeed_racing** 24/4/2018, 08:39

Like this one driven by Paul Pickett and later John Henderson

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**intelpower** 24/4/2018, 16:09

the one from STCC 96
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and gone thru the footage, the Taisan BMW was indeed standard 4 door

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**GTP_furinkazen** 26/4/2018, 23:58

So Audi with new interior paint loads fine in 3Dsimed but in-game... Errrmmmm... Help? lol!

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**GTP_furinkazen** 28/4/2018, 13:34

Audi looking bit better now.

Testing new shaders for the cars. Note the sunlight reflecting off the car and less of a flat look to the paint.

Also new damage file reworkings - in 3.0 each car will have a unique .dmg

Thoughts?

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**pimmy** 28/4/2018, 14:37

Looks natural for Bintcliffe's car.

**intelpower** 28/4/2018, 18:34

yeah

what the heck was Audi thinking, they could have gotten so many real professional drivers but got Bintcliffe... Rolling Eyes

**repaban** 28/4/2018, 20:22

Nice car this audi

**GTP_furinkazen** 29/4/2018, 14:22

So been exploring different ways of getting new interior colours and mapping and how to trigger it in-game. Initially tested new genstring numbers and file renaming on the BMW and the Alfa 155. However decided the easier option is to create a new CAS file.

For example, the Audi's all have black window nets from "Audi A4.cas". CIVT 95/96 entries have red window nets. So for those cars they'll use a "Audi A4CIVT.cas" that will have a tweaked cockpit already included.

Tibi 29/4/2018, 21:36

intelpower wrote:
bernie91 wrote:
RobertLidstroem wrote:Its an exceptional mod! Though i dont know why DTM isnt included?

Because DTM didn't followed the Supertouring spec homologations, only the Supertourenwagen did

the story is that DTM in about 1991-1992 started to think about replacing Group A with different rules and in the meantime Class 1 and Class 2 were conceived

BMW wanted Class 2 , Audi was more or less forced into Class 2 after leaving mid-season of 1992 , Mercedes wanted Class 1 and Opel also Class 1

so half the DTM manufacturers left the series at end of 1992 and so the STW Cup was created for class 2 super tourers in 1994 , Audi in the meantime gather experience in the 1993 french series as preparations for STW with their Audi 80 super tourer, BMW gather expereince in other series like BTCC with their E36 super tourer

the oddity are Opel and Alfa Romeo , did they both embraced both rule set but Germany they only raced Class 1 while in other countries Class 2 , of course after 1996 when DTM was axed they both switched to Class 2 STW ....

Mercedes meanwhile never bothered with Class 2 , they switched to FIA GT / Le Mans once DTM was dead

to give an overseight of car models for DTM

1996 (priavteers used 95 spec models)
- Mercedes C-Klasse
- Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI
- Opel Calibra V6 4x4

1995 (priavteers used 94 spec models)
- Mercedes C-Klasse
- Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI
- Opel Calibra V6 4x4

1994
- Mercedes C-Klasse
- Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI (privateer used 1993 spec models)
- Opel Calibra V6 4x4
- Mercedes-Benz 190E 2,5-15 Class 1
- Mercedes-Benz 190E 2,5-16 Evo II (1 privateer, Group A)
- Ford Mustang
- BMW M3 E36 (wain attempt by Linder to gather works support for their self build Class 1 E36)
- BMW M3 E30, priavteer using the old E30 Group A

1993 (introduction of Class 1)
- Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI
- Opel Calibra V6 4x4
- Opel Omega EVO 500
- Mercedes-Benz 190E 2,5-15 Class 1
- Mercedes-Benz 190E 2,5-16 Evo II Group A
- Ford Mustang
- BMW M3 E 30 Group A

1992
- Audi V8 quattro Evolution
- BMW M3 E30
- Mercedes-Benz 190E 2,5-16 Evo II
- Opel Omega EVO 500
- Ford Mustang

1991
- Audi V8 quattro
- BMW M3 E30
- Mercedes-Benz 190E 2,5-16 Evo II
- Opel Omega 3000 24V Evo 500
- Ford Mustang

Audi did experiment with Class 1 version of their Audi 80 , rumor is that Mercedes may have actually build a super tourer version of the C-Klasse but no photo showed up to coraborate that story

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Great review, but you miss some cars. Example the Class2 Opel Astra-s and Alfa 155 from 1993. The WS-DHL-Dealer-Team BMW e36.
The Linder BMW E36 run in 1993 too. (One of these cars run here in Hungary from 1995-2001. After that, it appeared in late 2015 on a test, and run in 2016 in our only 1 hill climb race. We found the info, that from 2002 to 2015 it is in a hungarian garage. Now it was sold a foreign car collector. Sad

Here is a lot of photo from the cars of DTM, Le Mans, and other national, and international championships:
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**repaban** 29/4/2018, 23:44

Nice cars this oldtimer

**GTP_furinkazen** 30/4/2018, 02:36

E36 - reshaded, better reflections, restyled interior, adjusted window net.

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**courty89** 2/5/2018, 20:35

nice mate, thank you

**courty89** 3/5/2018, 12:58

Just a couple of bugs I've noticed so far.

The BMW E30 sits a bit too low in the showroom so looks as if it has flat tyres.

I can't remember the team but the first year in the BTCC the Renault 19 raced with a yellow colour scheme, the O/S/R-drivers rear wheel expro is sat to far forward in the showroom, just that set of wheels that relates too

Sticking with BTCC two Vauxhall Cavaliers have the wrong .HDC file assigned so rear wing can't be adjusted, one from 96 and one from 97, both the same team, they have been assigned the 93_Indi .hdc

Something that did concern me was the lack of spring rate adjustment on the cars

The BTCC production class is a little vague in the physics department with all models sharing the same .eng .sp ect, also I would say the production .eng file is over powered at 270bhp although tbh I'm finding info on that difficult to find, I've been doing work on the production cars the past few weeks with individual .eng files with roughly 210bhp as that was roughly what the .eng was set to originally, the .eng files I've made are based on the WTCC 2.0 files from relative manufacturers with varying rpm limits such as the Integra revving close to 9000rpm for instance, currently I'm tweeking the .hdc files

Maybe that might be something of interest to you for your mod

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