[RELEASE] Super Touring World Version 1.6

simspeed_racing wrote:NATCC 1996-1997 pack added, skins by Markano97, Remus Racing and me.  Included are some new wheel styles for the Honda Accord EX, the Accord Mk5, the Dodge and the BMW.

that's great

Glitch:

Dodge Stratus - when in car the camera moves with G Force Simulation and World Movement at 100%, the outline of the driver is visible in both mirrors.

This mod is really amazing!!! I love the CIVT skins
Thank you very much to all the guys involved in this milestone!

fantastic MOD, i got the latest BTCC skinpack etc, the cars still run off the track a touch in the wet but in the dry it's fixed.

also the reliability is much less at donington (GP layout, not tried the national layout) but fine elsewhere.

AI Cars don't get stuck in Gravel traps & still find grip on the grass (even in the wet), is this an issue with the tracks perhaps?

also, not much of an issue really but is there a way to make the cars spin etc when they get hit by another car?

jr82 wrote:

also, not much of an issue really but is there a way to make the cars spin etc when they get hit by another car?

there is a value called AiTorqueStab    , the lower the value is set, the more instable the AI cars are

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Thank you very much to everyone was involved building this awesome Mod!!! Nearly ALL Touringcars of one of the best era of all. You made the awesome mod from Andreas even more awesome. Thank you. Is there any online racing with these cars?

sensational Mod.

on "Oulton Park Island" layout the 10 of the grid is reversed in the '99 & '00 Seasons, was this a rule they had?

the following value's seem to work well in this mod re: AI overtaking etc for those who like doing Championship season's. there are some accidents etc but the BTCC was full of them & it's also makes for some great racing.
BaseDropoff=0.495
LeadingExponent=0.0
FollowingExponent=0.0

jr82 wrote:sensational Mod.

on "Oulton Park Island" layout the 10  of the grid is reversed in the '99 & '00 Seasons, was this a rule they had?

the following value's seem  to work well in this mod re: AI overtaking etc for those who like doing Championship season's. there are some accidents etc but the BTCC was full of them & it's also makes for some great racing.
 BaseDropoff=0.495
 LeadingExponent=0.0
 FollowingExponent=0.0

Not a rule, Simon, update of that championship GDB required? Will try these stats. What exactly do they change?

jr82 wrote:fantastic MOD, i got the latest BTCC skinpack etc, the cars still run off the track a touch in the wet but in the dry it's fixed.

also the reliability is much less at donington (GP layout, not tried the national layout) but fine elsewhere.

AI Cars don't get stuck in Gravel traps & still find grip on the grass (even in the wet), is this an issue with the tracks perhaps?

also, not much of an issue really but is there a way to make the cars spin etc when they get hit by another car?

I'll check Donington as it's last part of the final track pack update. Gravel trap issue is a GTR2 issue. Changing AI Torque Stab be careful - cars without wings and on higher aggression levels wreck very easily.

Could not one make for the cars without rear wings new (own) shadow files, it looks damn stupid, if one drives such a car, but on the road a shadow from the rear wing, which is not present.

GTP_furinkazen wrote:

jr82 wrote:sensational Mod.

on "Oulton Park Island" layout the 10  of the grid is reversed in the '99 & '00 Seasons, was this a rule they had?

the following value's seem  to work well in this mod re: AI overtaking etc for those who like doing Championship season's. there are some accidents etc but the BTCC was full of them & it's also makes for some great racing.
 BaseDropoff=0.495
 LeadingExponent=0.0
 FollowingExponent=0.0

Not a rule, Simon, update of that championship GDB required? Will try these stats. What exactly do they change?

jr82 wrote:fantastic MOD, i got the latest BTCC skinpack etc, the cars still run off the track a touch in the wet but in the dry it's fixed.

also the reliability is much less at donington (GP layout, not tried the national layout) but fine elsewhere.

AI Cars don't get stuck in Gravel traps & still find grip on the grass (even in the wet), is this an issue with the tracks perhaps?

also, not much of an issue really but is there a way to make the cars spin etc when they get hit by another car?

I'll check Donington as it's last part of the final track pack update. Gravel trap issue is a GTR2 issue. Changing AI Torque Stab be careful - cars without wings and on higher aggression levels wreck very easily.

not entirely across what each one does but i know the basedropoff is how strong the Draft is. the other 2 seem to be one meaning how close they get to the car in front before pulling out of the Draft (followingexponant) & the other seems to be how affected by turbulence the car is (leadingexponant)
i stand to be corrected on the last 2 but having spent too many hrs on various mods playing with it that's the best i can come up with.

with Donington, it's the only track that is affected by the race distance slider (i made the races 5 laps on each track & need to set it to 40 to get 5 laps on Donington) tho i now have 3% (lowest possible) so the reliability doesn't take out too many cars (becomes silly when 3 cars finish).

as for the Oulton Park top 10 grid thing i got no idea, there's nothing on the Championship file that seems different to any other track

GTP_furinkazen wrote:

jr82 wrote:sensational Mod.

on "Oulton Park Island" layout the 10  of the grid is reversed in the '99 & '00 Seasons, was this a rule they had?

the following value's seem  to work well in this mod re: AI overtaking etc for those who like doing Championship season's. there are some accidents etc but the BTCC was full of them & it's also makes for some great racing.
 BaseDropoff=0.495
 LeadingExponent=0.0
 FollowingExponent=0.0

Not a rule, Simon, update of that championship GDB required? Will try these stats. What exactly do they change?

jr82 wrote:fantastic MOD, i got the latest BTCC skinpack etc, the cars still run off the track a touch in the wet but in the dry it's fixed.

also the reliability is much less at donington (GP layout, not tried the national layout) but fine elsewhere.

AI Cars don't get stuck in Gravel traps & still find grip on the grass (even in the wet), is this an issue with the tracks perhaps?

also, not much of an issue really but is there a way to make the cars spin etc when they get hit by another car?

I'll check Donington as it's last part of the final track pack update. Gravel trap issue is a GTR2 issue. Changing AI Torque Stab be careful - cars without wings and on higher aggression levels wreck very easily.

as a matter of interest, what was updated on the BTCC skinpack update?

An incorrect wheel texture was removed in the most recent update to the BTCC skin pack, but the one before that a couple of weeks ago that coincided with the 1.6 update updated some skins and added 1991-1993.

AI grip on grass is never as  low as the player and gravel traps don't slow or stop AI as much as  the player either.
 I found just lowering AI torquestab didn't make much difference, going from 1.5 all round to 1.0 didn't make the AI any less glued to the road.

I will look at the championship, it must be either pointing to the reverse grid race or the AI W file has the wrong grid text.

@ jr 82

Less spinning and doorlock fights of AI cars can be fixed .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 1.20, 1.20) // torque adjustment to keep AI stable: is the standart in HDC .

AITorqueStab=(0.80, 1.20, 1.20) // torque adjustment to keep AI stable :for less stable on the brakes and accelerating .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 0.80, 1.20) // torque adjustment to keep AI stable: Leess stable in spinning doorlockfights and turning .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 1.20, 0.10) // torque adjustment to keep AI stable : for bouncing like a baloon ( i suggest not change this third one )

Make some tests the 0.80 is an example find your best mix .

In time i switch many HDC an Trye settings . To keep the Ai like real , ( watching German u tube STW series , for Jumps & bouncing , four wheel break advance i find many screws to make it good for me . For example Norisring Eric hillary on Opel Vectra drives nearby same time as Christian ABt on Audi A 4 , by 9 km/h more topspeed ( 235 to 244 at breakingpoint Grundigkehre ) Toppeed i found axle friction to fix . Tyre ´ long ´ for Breaking/accel advance . The lat is for cornergrip
Perhaps here is an intersting for that work , to make the mod better .
For all cars i can say the springs are much to low in the HDC . An Audi V8 1990 ( 1190 KG ) drives in front spring 240 KG/cm and the Mod Audi A4 with 1155 KG 100 KG/ cm
Here is a point to make a change . 4 way Dumper too all not hard enought.

Question were i can sent example HDC´s to test by yourself .

Other to keep AI faster is to give them your best SVM in Teamfoulder by renammed SVM of the using Track .
SVM data u find in user settings, only rename to trackname(same as GDB name from track) and put it into team folder ready .

Greets eltom

New release from FRM

GTP_furinkazen wrote:Track update of the Bathurst for GTR2 to bring it in line with the 1997 and 1998 AMP 1000 Super Touring races that took place there. Full credit to MR_INGALL and MR_DutchDevil for the GTR2 conversion that this track is based on.

Track features new signage and textures, small adjustments to trackside barriers and shading, and minor AIW tweaks. Included are 1997 and 1998 texture variants for the track with 54 car grids possible albeit with pit lane double stacking.

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CREDITS:
MR_INGALL and MR_DutchDevil - original track.
GTPorsche - new advertising textures.
Myself - new trackside colouring, Track LOD's.

INSTALLATION:
Drop into your "gamedata/locations" folder in your GTR2 install and enjoy.

NOT FOR UPLOAD OUTSIDE OF "FRM" or "NOGRIP"!

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@ simspeed_racing

Last one i can´t save. Repeat it please.

Call me witch track i should test , i think your favorite track is best so you can feel better what i ve changed .

greets eltom

eltom wrote:@ jr 82

Less spinning  and doorlock fights of AI cars  can be fixed .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 1.20, 1.20)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable: is the standart in HDC .

AITorqueStab=(0.80, 1.20, 1.20)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable :for less stable on the brakes and accelerating .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 0.80, 1.20)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable: Leess stable in spinning  doorlockfights and turning .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 1.20, 0.10)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable : for bouncing  like a baloon ( i suggest not change this  third one )

Make  some tests  the 0.80 is an example  find your best mix .

In time i  switch many HDC an Trye settings . To keep the Ai like real , ( watching German u tube  STW series , for   Jumps & bouncing , four wheel break advance  i find  many screws to make  it good for me . For example Norisring  Eric hillary  on Opel Vectra  drives nearby same  time as  Christian ABt on Audi  A 4  , by 9 km/h more topspeed ( 235 to 244 at  breakingpoint Grundigkehre ) Toppeed i found axle friction  to fix . Tyre ´ long ´ for  Breaking/accel advance . The lat is for cornergrip
Perhaps  here is an intersting for that work  , to make the mod better .
For  all cars i can say  the springs are much to low in the HDC . An  Audi V8 1990 ( 1190 KG ) drives in front spring  240 KG/cm  and the  Mod  Audi A4 with 1155 KG 100 KG/ cm
Here is  a point to  make a change . 4 way Dumper too  all not  hard enought.

Question were i can sent  example HDC´s to test  by yourself .

Other  to keep AI faster is to give them  your best SVM in Teamfoulder  by renammed SVM of the using Track .
SVM data  u find in user settings, only rename to trackname(same as  GDB name from track)  and put it into team folder ready .

Greets eltom

what do you mean by "doorlockfights"?

i am just curious as to get it so that if an AI car hits another to make it spin into the gravel/off the road as they do in real life.

it's not a major issue as the AI is pretty good as it is. tho it is frustrating seeing an AI car go onto the grass & get back onto the track straight away while the human car has no chance of doing it.

2 spin hotspots for the AI i have noticed also, Oulton park long layout, the 1st chicane after the hairpin (1st chicane on the back park of the circuit) & Silverstone GP layout Maggotts/becketts.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] The problem with SIlverstone at Maggots and beckets can be fixed by using the AIW from Silverstone GP 2008, next time there is an track pack update I will include it. The track is available on trippteam server if you want to replace it.
You can make the AI more unstable but it will never be that realistic when it comes to contact or going off, its just a limitation of the game.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Silverstone, Brno, Imola all good tracks for testing cars I think. The AI needs to be evenly matched still between FWD, RWD and 4WD

simspeed_racing wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] The problem with SIlverstone at Maggots and beckets can be fixed by using the AIW from  Silverstone  GP 2008, next time there is an track pack update I will include it. The track is available on trippteam server if you want to replace it.    
You can make the AI more unstable but it will never be that realistic when it comes to contact or going off, its just a limitation of the game.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Silverstone, Brno, Imola  all good tracks for testing cars I think.  The AI needs to be evenly matched still between FWD, RWD and 4WD  

cheers for the update.

with the moving Talent Files etc for realistic AI for each season, is it suggested to only have that season (BTCC1994) in the Talent folder?
i have done this & BMW are still dominant?
briefly tried '95 & it seems better (Burt isn't dominant but does when all the files are in together)
do Teams need to be moved as well or just Talent Files?

eltom wrote:@ jr 82

Less spinning  and doorlock fights of AI cars  can be fixed .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 1.20, 1.20)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable: is the standart in HDC .

AITorqueStab=(0.80, 1.20, 1.20)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable :for less stable on the brakes and accelerating .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 0.80, 1.20)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable: Leess stable in spinning  doorlockfights and turning .

AITorqueStab=(1.20, 1.20, 0.10)   // torque adjustment to keep AI stable : for bouncing  like a baloon ( i suggest not change this  third one )

Make  some tests  the 0.80 is an example  find your best mix .

In time i  switch many HDC an Trye settings . To keep the Ai like real , ( watching German u tube  STW series , for   Jumps & bouncing , four wheel break advance  i find  many screws to make  it good for me . For example Norisring  Eric hillary  on Opel Vectra  drives nearby same  time as  Christian ABt on Audi  A 4  , by 9 km/h more topspeed ( 235 to 244 at  breakingpoint Grundigkehre ) Toppeed i found axle friction  to fix . Tyre ´ long ´ for  Breaking/accel advance . The lat is for cornergrip
Perhaps  here is an intersting for that work  , to make the mod better .
For  all cars i can say  the springs are much to low in the HDC . An  Audi V8 1990 ( 1190 KG ) drives in front spring  240 KG/cm  and the  Mod  Audi A4 with 1155 KG 100 KG/ cm
Here is  a point to  make a change . 4 way Dumper too  all not  hard enought.

Question were i can sent  example HDC´s to test  by yourself .

Other  to keep AI faster is to give them  your best SVM in Teamfoulder  by renammed SVM of the using Track .
SVM data  u find in user settings, only rename to trackname(same as  GDB name from track)  and put it into team folder ready .

Greets eltom

do you know what each of these files does?
i don't want to make them less stable as the AI will spin off all over the place, all i am after is is cars make contact in a corner that they spin as they do in real life.

simspeed_racing wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] The problem with SIlverstone at Maggots and beckets can be fixed by using the AIW from  Silverstone  GP 2008, next time there is an track pack update I will include it. The track is available on trippteam server if you want to replace it.    
You can make the AI more unstable but it will never be that realistic when it comes to contact or going off, its just a limitation of the game.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Silverstone, Brno, Imola  all good tracks for testing cars I think.  The AI needs to be evenly matched still between FWD, RWD and 4WD  

another place the AI tend to spin is under braking at end of back straight at Snetterton. this could be due to the drafting #'s i have posted here on Championship files tho so i am not sure.

Hi jr 82

Im german and Doorlock fights is Denglish . I mean you drive door by door in a corner Ai can go inside by push u into the corner inner gravel . Not so hard as TOCA 2 but they can.
if u change this ,but u must test , u can push the Ai in this example out of the corner ,like real . Ai car are not Tanks , they same physiks like u , so 1.20 is to much , they drive like slot cars .

Greets eltom

Only the talent files need to be moved. They are not 100% perfect at replicating real life and no matter how good the talent files are other factors will still come into force such as engine power, weight, base drag on the body aero.

something that seems to also factor in is the track grip.........