Supertouring version 6.4 Updated 06.04.16

intelpower wrote:here is an issue
was this team Works or just privateer
in STW 94 pack is listed as WORKS but in PROCAR pack as privateer , so how is it ?
and the SEAT in Procar 94 has no category, from what I see should be INDCUP
EDIT the Champion of Procar 94 was from Valier Motorsport so it's safe tos ay this was works team , they also had a big FINA logo which BMW partner at the time

so small update for Procar 94
- both Valier Motorsport BMW as  works cars
- SEAT , INDCUP

Did they actually run an independents championship though?  
A big deal has been made out of whether cars are listed as works or independent  but the only reason the classes exist in the mod is for the scoring in the championships where there is actually an independents cup - BTCC, ASTC and STCC.

South Africa, for example, had works cars and had independent cars but there was no points or prizes for independents so does it matter how they are listed?

I'm currently updating the STW 1994 pack  I've made most of the changes suggested by intelpower apart from changing the livery of the #26 BMW

Also I am working on the CIVT cars:
Adding correct colour rear wings for the 1993-94 cars
Removing any 1995 wings from those seasons
Correcting genstring on Alfa 155 where 1995 wing shows on track
Correcting VW Vento cockpit positions (for new LHD car)

I'm also adding another 1994 rear wing option for the BMW that is more like the STW/CIVT wing (more raised than the BTCC version)

simspeed_racing wrote:

Did they actually run an independents championship though?  
A big deal has been made out of whether cars are listed as works or independent  but the only reason the classes exist in the mod is for the scoring in the championships where there is actually an independents cup - BTCC, ASTC and STCC.

well it's for impression and accuracy  just like anyone tries to get every single logo on a skin    , you have the Audis listed as works cars and they loosing to supposed privateers is not realistic when you see the grid monitor for example,   Valier had works backing for sure as FINA was their partners at time,

as said it's just like trying to make thing as accurate as possible

South Africa, for example, had works cars and had independent cars but there was no points or prizes for independents so does it matter how they are listed?

South Africa is a special case  ,  they had only about 3 Independents per season,  rest were all works cars  

for 94 no 12, 14 BMW    and no 10 Cavalier
for 96 just no 12 Audi 80  and no 14, 17  BMW


in STW it's a special case ,  there is no info on a separate standings but the commentator   always mentioned  in 95 the battle beteen Philip Peter and Johnny Hauser for best in the privateer standings !!!      , he used german word "Wertung" which translates as standings
so there may have been  a standing but never shown on TV or results



NATCC for example did have a privateer standings if you see the youtube videos

CIVT pack by Renxo has been updated with changes as mentioned before and below:   Its available in the skin pack folder.

Adding correct colour rear wings for the 1993-94 cars
Removing any 1995 wings from those seasons
Correcting genstring on Alfa 155 where 1995 wing shows on track
Correcting VW Vento cockpit positions (for new LHD car)

New  1994 rear wing option for the BMW that is more like the STW/CIVT wing (more raised than the BTCC version)
Corrected the Alfa Romeo 155 1994 style wing to show correctly in showroom.  

The 1994 wings for Alfa, Peugeot and Peugeot are all paintable but not mapped so you can only use a single colour.  All are defined as CPIT02


Rexno - can I post about the release at Trackaholics too?

yes! perfect! thanks for your job
in CIVT 1993, Alfa Romeo 155, don't have rear wings

Ok I will add another option for the Alfa with no rear wing and re upload.

intelpower wrote:
IORNY    Opel had works team in French, Spanish and think Italian series but they never entered the Vectra A in their home STW

probably because they already had a works team in DTM at the time and didn't want to spend money for 2 championships in the same country.

Another series that i will be making fixes on and add more cars is the copa de las naciones series(argentinian supertouring series).I have the cars done for all 4 seasons(1997-2000)but updates are needed and i have found pictures of addon cars so the grids are going to be bigger but that's a thing for later

Regarding NATCC 1997 I made a bad discovery

the no 62 Honda Accord cannot be done because it's japanese model, not the european one so no 3D model for it
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so considering the 2 Dodge and 2 Mazda already in game the list would be just

- 1 Toyota
- 1 Ford Mondeo
- 3 BMW
- 3 Honda Accord

and that's about it !!

MISSING
- Mark Jonak BMW , he did 2 events but no pic
- Pontiac Sunbird, no 3D model
- 62 Honda Accord, no 3D model

Remus Racing is converting his 1997 NATCC.I believe he has finished the conversion but i'm not sure

STW 1994 update 1.11:
-exhaust smokes removed
-some minor graphical changes
-works and privateer classifications are fixed
-the Astra frontgrill changed to type1

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skeno wrote:
probably because they already had a works team in DTM at the time and didn't  want to spend money for 2 championships in the same country.

that's my point , they already had cars ready, 0 investment developing them, just paying a team to run them

a privateer did attempt to race a Vectra A in STW 95  but failed to start at both Salzburgring and  Avus  this are the only shots of it

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baika wrote:STW 1994 update 1.11:
-exhaust smokes removed
-some minor graphical changes
-works and privateer classifications are fixed
-the Astra frontgrill changed to type1

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THANKS , so STW is complete , the 2nd best super touring series after BTCC

intelpower wrote:

baika wrote:STW 1994 update 1.11:
-exhaust smokes removed
-some minor graphical changes
-works and privateer classifications are fixed
-the Astra frontgrill changed to type1

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THANKS , so STW is complete      , the 2nd best super touring series after BTCC

I'd disagree Much more variety in STCC and the edited highlights worked much better than live coverage - the quality onboards in BTCC, STCC, SATCC, ASTC are what makes it so good to watch.

intelpower wrote:

baika wrote:STW 1994 update 1.11:
-exhaust smokes removed
-some minor graphical changes
-works and privateer classifications are fixed
-the Astra frontgrill changed to type1

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THANKS , so STW is complete      , the 2nd best super touring series after BTCC

Well, almost complete. There's only one thing left: the Lancer. That'll be version 1.2.

I have the Lancer - do you mind if I add STW 94 to the skin pack folder?

simspeed_racing wrote:I have the Lancer - do you mind if I add STW 94 to the skin pack folder?

Of course you can add! It'll be a honor to me!
And can you send me the Lancer? In that case i'll put in into the pack, to ver.1.2.

I've added it to the pack and removed the Carina version. There were a couple of talent files that didn't match the names too so I've fixed those too.

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thanks

there is a small  bug in STW 94, the Belgian Adams Audi should have the 94 spec wing

and the BMW the new big rear wing ?

EDIT another problem  , the interior glass was forgotten that's why cockpit is too dark on all cars (minus the Lancer)

now since they all had same banner it would be relative easy  to fix

also the exaust smoke on the Lancer...

intelpower wrote:


Regarding NATCC 1997 I made  a bad discovery

the no 62  Honda Accord cannot be done because it's japanese model, not the european one  so no 3D model for it    
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so considering the 2 Dodge and 2 Mazda already in game the list would be just

- 1 Toyota
- 1 Ford Mondeo
- 3 BMW
- 3 Honda Accord

and that's about it !!  

MISSING
- Mark Jonak BMW  ,  he did 2 events but no pic
- Pontiac Sunbird, no 3D model
- 62 Honda Accord, no 3D model

dont see how its a problem if the same 3d model is used for the japanese and european version. in the first version of the natcc 97 skinpack made in 2012 the #62 accord was included...

dunno of the others but I am not a fan of model substitutions

the Japanese/ Australia/ N. America Accord was atotal different car than the european Accord

plus if 96-97 Japanese pack is wanted/ planned that Accord needs to be modeled , specially since the 96 champion was such an Accord
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skeno wrote:

intelpower wrote:


Regarding NATCC 1997 I made  a bad discovery

the no 62  Honda Accord cannot be done because it's japanese model, not the european one  so no 3D model for it    
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so considering the 2 Dodge and 2 Mazda already in game the list would be just

- 1 Toyota
- 1 Ford Mondeo
- 3 BMW
- 3 Honda Accord

and that's about it !!  

MISSING
- Mark Jonak BMW  ,  he did 2 events but no pic
- Pontiac Sunbird, no 3D model
- 62 Honda Accord, no 3D model

dont see how its a problem if the same 3d model is used for the japanese and european version. in the first version of the natcc 97 skinpack made in 2012 the #62 accord was included...

Don't bother about him and do what you feel like doing.

intelpower wrote:plus if 96-97 Japanese pack is wanted/ planned that Accord needs to be modeled , specially since the 96 champion was such an Accord
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This is not too easy, because if you want do 96/97 JTCC season you must do not only the Accord, you have plan do the Toyota Corolla AE110, Subaru Impreza Wagon, Mazda 323 Familia (Sedan) and Toyota Chaser, Plus make new bumpers and grille for the Nissan P11.

So, think first...

Sorry for my english

Have a nice week

something I just noticed

no 42  was a "works" car  and an ex STW car

they tapped over the rearlights to make it look like an American/Japanese Accord
ahead of it it's the very competitive no 4 Accord who didn't bother with this mess

also didn't notice until now, they had small rear number plates like in Japan

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intelpower wrote:

This is not too easy, because if you want do 96/97 JTCC season you must do not only the Accord, you have plan do the Toyota Corolla AE110, Subaru Impreza Wagon, Mazda 323 Familia (Sedan) and Toyota Chaser, Plus make new bumpers and grille for the Nissan P11.k

I know ,

I was refering more to partial seasons due to many missing 3D models , if you have to pick just one for 3D model it would have to be the Accord because the 96 and 97 champions drove Accord and it was the car with most number of entries out of missing models

4 entries in 96 ,  and 4 entries in 97 plus one NATCC one

Mazda Familia just one entry in 96, AE 110 just 2 entry in 96, one in 97 , , Subaru just 1 entry in 96 ...

and also it would be a bit of shame not to exploit the previos modeling work with Nissan Sunny, Toyota Exiv , Toyota Chaser , Mazda Lantis (323F)